Week 23 – Premier League Kits Round-up

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  1. Martyn Ping Says:

    Still think that Swansea home is one of the best kits seen anywhere across Europe this season. Only slight on it is the lack of black change shorts and socks.

  2. Denis Hurley Says:

    They have them, Martyn – they just don’t wear them

  3. Martyn Ping Says:

    Bonkers, isn’t it? Because they could have solved a few clashes this season that the away kit didn’t adequately cover. Home shirt is still beautiful though.

  4. Martyn Ping Says:

    So the new Nike Spurs away will be navy and the third will apparently be…purple. Words fail me.

  5. Denis Hurley Says:

    Didn’t Real Madrid have something similar a few years ago?

  6. Phil Says:

    They did Denis. They had an all purple kit and an all black one in 06/07.

  7. Martyn Ping Says:

    More Nike idiocy, if it turns out to be true. Don’t know why the third can’t be yellow – that would be a great way to get the fans onside from day one.

  8. Phil Says:

    I agree there Martyn. Yellow with navy was a recognised Spurs kit at one time but that seems to be ages ago now. Its about time they had yellow again.

  9. Denis Hurley Says:

    Tbf, they do have a gold third this season and had a yellow one in 2014-15. I would prefer too if they were away kits though.

  10. Andy Rockall - Statto_74 Says:

    Why idiocy Martyn? Yellow doesn’t seem to sell in such numbers, despite it being traditional. Navy really was always our second colour, until the Football League banned it in the late Sixties.

  11. Martyn Ping Says:

    Yeah, navy should be the away colour, but yellow has always worked as a third when used. The gold one this season actually looks orange on TV!

  12. Denis Hurley Says:

    @Andrew – I think Martyn is saying it’s idiocy to have a navy change shirt and a purple one – unless it’s towards the lilac end, the third won’t solve too many clashes that the navy can’t, I fear

  13. Martyn Ping Says:

    That’s my point. The shade I’ve seen leaked is a bluey purple, so not that different from navy at all. If it was more lilac than purple, fine, but the ‘global template’ next season is a camouflage type print, so I don’t hold out any hopes. Even with say, yellow shorts (just a guess) I can’t see how it would work, especially against someone like West Brom.

  14. Martyn Ping Says:

    Bayern playing Eintracht at the Allianz today, doing a ‘red Chelsea’ by wearing the change red shorts and white socks from the third kit; Eintracht playing in this seasons Juventus-esque home with white shorts and red socks. Sensible so far, being as their away kit is red and black. What doesn’t make sense is that they have a dull yellow third kit that would’ve been sufficient.

  15. Martyn Ping Says:

    ***APOLOGIES EVERYONE!!! I was looking at the wrong picture – the above was the game in Frankfurt. Eintracht are today dressed as Newcastle, Bayern in normal colours. Phew!

  16. Denis Hurley Says:

    Eintracht’s socks in both games were black, Martyn – I wouldn’t have seen a need for Bayern to change, tbh

  17. Martyn Ping Says:

    So they were. I wish they’d make their minds up! I imagine that Bayern took their third socks expecting to need the change, and Eintracht changed expecting Bayern to be in their home pair. Lack of communication in other words. I am as you know a fan of change shorts so they were required, I would say!

  18. Jon Says:

    Though in normal circumstances, Bayern would have been turning up in Frankfurt with their white third kit because Eintracht would have been wearing their usual red and black, instead of having an identity crisis like they have this season with their choice of home colours!

    Bit like Bayern themselves 20 years ago when they suddenly went blue…

  19. Martyn Ping Says:

    Yeah, possibly, though Eintracht have a partial historical reason : the two clubs that joined together to form what is now known as Eintracht Frankfurt played in red and white and black and white; as a compromise the new club settled on red and black. Occasionally the old colours surface, red and white being worn in 1960 against Real Madrid; black and white most recently in the early 90’s before this season. As far as Bayern, the 97 change to blue is a mystery, even now. We had a pale blue home kit for the first couple of years of our life, but red came in in 1906 and has been there ever since, in one way or another.

  20. Martyn Ping Says:

    So Nike unveil a black third kit for France that is apparently NEVER going to be worn in an official game, it’s just a ‘lifestyle jersey’. The new Brazil third is apparently the same; only England and the USA are currently earmarked to actually WEAR the kits.

    As news surfaces about the new Liverpool kits, apparently being styled after early / classic shirts to celebrate 125 years, I can’t help thinking that they were always better dressed in adidas. I know Warrior / NB is a more lucrative contract, but has ANY of their strips looked anything other than cheap and / or trying too hard?

    Speaking of NB, the new Celtic third is going to be…green. Lime green, granted, but still green. What is the plan v Hibs? if the away is anything other than black I can only see massive problems there.

  21. Jon Says:

    How many times have Bootlover Headlines got it wrong on some kit leaks? I remember them trying to make out that Liverpool’s third kit was going to be some form of dark toxic green, but it turned out to be green of the glow in the dark variety. Had to laugh at their latest “leak” about Liverpool’s apparent third kit for next season, stating they were to use a never before seen colour combination of gold and navy, even though they posted a picture of the 00/01 away kit in the same article, which used those exact colours. Extremely lousy “journalism”, but then again I expect nothing less coming from a lousy Arminia supporter who has made a life of lousiness through stealing other people’s Pro Evo work and calling it his own and glossing over footballers wearing multicoloured boots.

    Nike’s third kits are purely for commercial purposes, as we all guessed, and all using that lousy (i’m on a roll today) Vapour template. I wonder what horrible contrasting socks they intend to use for the third kits that actually will get a use on the pitch?

  22. Jon Says:

    It is an odd decision for Celtic to effectively have three green kits (albeit of different shades), but it wouldn’t be the first time this has happened. In 07/08 they had the exact same issue where they retained the previous season’s green and black striped away kit as a third kit after introducing a new bottle green away kit trimmed with silver. When Celtic played at Easter Road that season they wore the stripes, which was still a kit clash in my eyes, but in previous seasons since the late 90’s, Hibs have ended up wearing their away kit at home against Celtic (such as purple on a few occasions).

    Of course many years ago both teams wore their home kits, which was very confusing. I would guess this coming season if Hibs did get promoted to the top flight, both teams would wear their away kits.

  23. Martyn Ping Says:

    I think it would be reasonable for Celtic to have a mainly yellow away with a black third. The old ‘wasp stripe’ Umbro kit (and Nike’s version of it) were for me the most effective away solutions. Any word on Hibs’ supplier next season? I know there was some talk of the Nike teamwear contract ending. For me, even adidas teamwear is preferable – take Ingolstadt’s three kits this season – all of them taken from existing templates (the third even uses the WC14 chest chevron), but with nice little touches like water marks and shadow patterns to make them unique.

    As regards to Liverpool, the aforementioned website have now changed tact and said the third is going to be orange. They do however usually get the Bayern ones right, so it depends on the team!

  24. Jason Bignall Says:

    Umbro are improving their kits vastly which is great. Wouldn’t want to see such a historic brand be left behind

  25. Martyn Ping Says:

    No, I think they are getting their confidence back after flirting with closure a few years back; I expect 2017/18 to be another strong year. The only thing that has counted against them this year IMO is the number of templates – two or three collar / cuff / trim combos when, if they raised it to five or six (as in the mid 90s), there would be real variety across their contracts.

  26. Davidr1986 Says:

    Martyn – thankfully the Hibs &I Just Sport/ Nike deal is up at the end of season, nothing confirmed for replacement however there has been a lot of rumours circulating about Macron which I’d be delighted with after 4 years of catalogue kits from ‘Nike’

    Adidas would be my first choice for Hibs harking back to the iconic kits they gave us in the late 80’s & early 90’s

    Talking of Adidas, I see the Scotland team in their photo calls have been donning new polo-shirts that are the style released for the Euro’s last year, Scotland must have really upset someone at Adidas given that we went from totally bespoke kits and training wear colours in 2013-15 to basic team wear in 2015-17, even the players kits are Climacool and not Adizero like the previous ones

  27. Martyn Ping Says:

    Yeah, bit of a strange one, isn’t it? I can only assume it must be something the SFA have at least partially agreed on, as Scotland seem to now be a ‘tier 2′ adidas team. Both kits are teamwear designs, which given, like you said, that the first ones were ‘tier 1′, seems an unusual downgrade. How long was the deal signed for? It has all the looks of the deal being ‘wound down’. Perhaps the aforementioned Macron for Scotland instead? They have done some solid kits for the rugby union team.

  28. Davidr1986 Says:

    I suspect it may have something to do with JD Sports being involved, we appeared to have a direct deal with Adidas and then just as the 2013-15 kit (a ‘tier 1’kit) was released JD were announced as the sole retailer for all Scotland merchandise, they seemed to have shifted us from a tier 1 to tier 2 which is in line with their deals with Welsh and Northern Irish.

    A shame really, the tier 2 kits aren’t bad by any means they just are let down by the missing touches of things such as a long sleeve option and ‘Alba’ on the front of the socks

    The training wear is pretty poor, bog standard team wear with quite literally a Scotland emblem sticker on them, not even good enough to warrant an embroidered badge on training wear!

    Contrast that with the rather sublime red, navy and silver training wear of 2013-15 makes it even worse

    Curiously one thing that was released with the away kit was change pink shorts which have never been used by any SFA team at any level by what I can see, however the change pink socks which have been used by almost all SFA teams at one point or another haven’t been released for retail sale!

  29. Jon Says:

    I heard Arsenal are set to sign a big sponsorship deal with Adidas from 2018 onwards. What you reckon about that one Denis?

  30. Denis Hurley Says:

    Hadn’t heard, Jon – in my head, Arsenal should always be with adidas, as that’s what they had when I started supporting them!

  31. Jon Says:

    Even the boot loving website is reporting the Arsenal-adidas tie up… well it will be interesting to see what the second coming of adidas will serve up for Arsenal.

    On the subject of Arsenal I couldn’t help but notice Man City changed their kit for the fixture at the Emirates for no reason whatsoever.

  32. Denis Hurley Says:

    They did that last season too, silly stuff.

    Are you sure the Arsenal-adidas stuff wasn’t an April Fool?

  33. Martyn Ping Says:

    Yes, confirmed yesterday – FH idea of a joke!

  34. Tony Spike Says:

    i wouldnt mind some notes on that subject guys (possibly an article) since i really dont get the differences between them other than one is a matchworn kit and the other isnt or one is a tier of kit above the other

    but what the hell are Climalite, Climacool, Formotion, Techfit, and i think Nike has Dri-Fit and Puma has Puma-Cell

    i have researched the topic but i cant find any info on them anywhere

    when did they start being used, when did one replace the other as the top tier of kit ect ect

    do other companies have these besides Nike puma and adidas

    these are questions i wouldnt mind an answer to

  35. Martyn Ping Says:

    Hi Tony,
    OK, I could be corrected, but I THINK that Climacool is the replica version and the Tier 2; Climalite is the players (ie match) version, available in (very expensive) replicas, for Tier 1 teams; Formotion is training wear, and Techfit is a players shirt again, but with extra support and in some cases breathable panels – around 2010 you could tell the techfit ones by a more fitted look and a faint ‘X’ shape on front and back. Check out Schweinsteiger or Ozil in the black Germany away in 2010, or Robben for Bayern in 2010/11. The Techfit replicas are about 3 times the price!

  36. Tony Spike Says:

    so let me see if i got this right, climalite is a tier 2 player kit? climacool is a tier 2 replica formotion is tier 1 training wear and techfit is tier 1 player kit …..so whats tier two training?

    btw i wanna take this opportunity to say

    i like the new England third, i didn’t dislike the red away kit in the first place (its the home that boggles my mind) but at least the third has dropped the stupid socks

    and it now gives us at least a pair of blue shorts and socks to wear with the home

    yes i know the away socks are blue but without the shorts we had no purpose to wear them (although we did have the red socks to replace them on the away)

    although its a sad state of affairs that we should have to do this to tell you the truth

  37. Martyn Ping Says:

    Hi Tony,
    Probably didn’t word it properly – here goes :

    Tier 1 playing – Climalite / Tier 1 replica – Climacool

    Tier 1 special – Techfit

    Tier 2 playing – Climacool

    Training – Formotion*

    *Not sure what tier 2 training wear teams get, but I would imagine it’ll be standard Climacool; ie will look like training tops but without the extra breathable panels etc that Formotion carries.

    At least I think that’s right! To muddy the waters further, adidas’ rain jackets and jogging stuff is often billed as Climalite too!

    With regards to England, I suspect the white/white/red home will remain til the tail end of this year, when the new kits will be out. Don’t expect that third kit (which I have to admit is better than either of the other two) to lend its shorts to the home. That would mean Nike actually listening to the fans!

  38. Tony Spike Says:

    actually i would consider that the choice of the England kit man, if Nike ever tried to interfere in that process then i would say its time to let go …..if it wasn’t already

    actually with the quality Umbro are producing recently i wouldn’t mind returning to them so i want them out anyway

    and thanks for that Martyn i think i get it now

    but when Climalite came in in the 90s was that ever a tier one shirt ….im pretty sure the Newcastle home from 2000 was a climalite kit?

  39. Tony Spike Says:

    sorry …i meant to say would climalite have been a REPLICA too in the 2000s …like i say im pretty sure the Newcastle home replica was a climalite when it came in ….i havent found any replicas in climacool

  40. Jon Says:

    Whilst it’s not a clash in my eyes, to a few people on here it is… an “overall clash”… but Everton v Leicester this afternoon… Everton in their usual blue-white-white, whilst Leicester are wearing their white third shirt with blue shorts and socks.

    The issue? Leicester have got an all-red away kit, have they consigned the kit to the dustbin or just thought they’d save looking like Liverpool at Goodison Park?

  41. Denis Hurley Says:

    Only worn once, as far as I know. I think today was just the third time this season they haven’t worn their home kit in the league this season.

  42. Al Says:

    ^ @ Chelsea, but will probably wear it against WBA this month

  43. Martyn Ping Says:

    Tony,
    You can buy Climalite replicas, they tend to be about three times more expensive and usually come in a presentation box. As far as I know all srtandard replicas are Climacool.

  44. Tony Spike Says:

    Martyn thats not what im asking, im asking if this has been the case since 2000

    because i haven’t found any climacool ones from that time period in picture form

    im asking because i know someone (my dad) that owns a Newcastle Home shirt from 2000-2001 (NTL sponsored),

    i messaged him and he says that he bought his from the club shop during a home game that year and his didn’t come in a box nor did it cost more than any standard replica shirt

    it says Climalite on it

  45. Martyn Ping Says:

    Hi Tony,
    I think it may be a recent trend; The most recent time I can remember noticing a definite difference between the replica and matchday shirts was in 2005; The Confed Cup games featuring the newly released red Germany away. The replica versions had stitched adidas stripes whereas the matchday versions had printed. I think the undershirt webbing was different too. So I would hazard a guess that this was the point where Climalite came in and Climacool became matchday. The whole thing is very confusing!

  46. Martyn Ping Says:

    *Meant to say Climacool became replica – like I said, confusing! That NTL shirt was class though.

  47. Tony Spike Says:

    Well thats just it martyn …according to my research (true colours vol 1 of all places) climalite was the brand new material …used on that 1999-02 Newcastle home

    Climacool isnt mentioned till 2004 when its used on their Northern Rock blue and black away kit and introduced as adidas new lightweight material

    Im assuming that cool replaced lite around that time as the tier 2 fabric ….unless it can be proven that Newcastle were a tier 1 club at that time (unlikely

  48. Martyn Ping Says:

    Hi Tony,
    I believe Newcastle were Tier 1 all the way through the adidas contract; collar and trim aside the stripes and other details were very often unique to them.

  49. Tony Spike Says:

    so that means that cool replaced lite as a tier 1 fabric then

  50. Davidr1986 Says:

    I seem to remember climacool being the players version of shirts from around 2002 during the fad for dual layer shirts, replicas were climalite I think and it wasn’t until 2006 that replicas became climacool with players shirts being Formotion?!

  51. Martyn Ping Says:

    I think that sounds right; Formotion was the one with the big ‘X’ across it and extra panels; kind of a bit like a rugby shirt. Climalite I think replaced THAT as player issue; though it was a brand used earlier. Basically, to clear up confusion I believe that prior to 2006 the replicas across all contracts were pretty close to the player issue, regardless of the name used, and what we would call ‘teamwear’ today was less commonplace. In the late 90’s I remember adidas supplying Crewe, Burnley, Stockport, Palace and others, sometimes using older designs, but with authentic details like embossed sponsor logos and things like that; that has now changed and Tier 2 teams are using designs that are a good 4 years old in some cases, and the replicas match the player issue.

  52. Davidr1986 Says:

    The big ‘X’ across the back was Techfit which was available alongside Formotion, I have the 2012 Scotland away shirt in both Formotion and Techfit. Formotion was pretty similar to the replica which was Climacool, only noticeable difference was the plastic transfer stripes and the adidas logo was plastic on Formotion and on Climacool the adidas logo was embroidered and the stripes stitched fabric. The Techfit one was very tight fitting with the plastic ‘powerweb’ on the back, the hem of the shirt was also a weird rubber material presumably to hold it in place when worn, the Techfit version also did not have cuffs on the L/S like the Climacool and Formotion versions, the Techfit version of the shirt also has plastic stripes and adidas logo like Formotion

  53. Tony Spike Says:

    So to sum up

    Bloody confusing

    Especially for kit designers like me

  54. Martyn Ping Says:

    Yep! Very confusing. I would like to try and nail it down, as the different iterations are varied and inconsistent. I have a Bayern training T-shirt branded as Adizero!

  55. Davidr1986 Says:

    Adizero is player issue shirts from 2014 on tier 1 kits, tier 2 kits are Climacool. I have a couple of Adizero player issue shirts and to be honest the difference between them and climacool replica ones is pretty negligible to the lay person, the badges and logos are printed rather than embroidered, the material is a bit lighter and the fit is a bit slimmer. It’s the Adizero shorts that are a completely different material to the replica climacool ones.

    Since 2014 all training shirts for tier 1 and tier 2 are the same only difference is that tier 1 clubs get bespoke colours, the Adizero training tops are a similar material to Adizero playing shirts except the fit isn’t as slim and the badges are usually embroidered (however there are some exceptions such as MUFC training shirts 15-16 that had a rubber feeling logo and badge)

  56. Andy Rockall - Statto_74 Says:

    Did anyone else have an issue with Bournemouth wearing black shorts & socks at WHL on Saturday?

  57. Denis Hurley Says:

    Yeah, it was very poor form.

  58. Frank Says:

    How about West Ham wearing white at Sunderland when you think they may have made use of the Thames Ironworks tribute kit?

  59. Phil Says:

    Yes, I thought the Bournemouth choice was very strange. A similar thing happened at the Amex over Easter with Wigan wearing an all greeny blue strip at Brighton which made the shorts and socks almost the same colour.

  60. Tony Spike Says:

    i didn’t have a problem, because i have never seen Bournemouth wear anything BUT black shorts and socks

    i can see why it could cause a slight problem with spurs also wearing dark shorts but to be honest spurs white shirts and socks would have provided AMPLE colour differentiation, ….nothing to get into a tizz over

    as for our little adidas issue i think im going to start by getting definitive dates when each fabric tech came into existence

    that might be a good way of starting the process of sorting out things

  61. Denis Hurley Says:

    Not Spurs’ problem though Tony, they changed socks away to Bournemouth, shouldn’t have to do so at home.

    Finding a red set of socks wouldn’t have been difficult for Bournemouth.

  62. Denis Hurley Says:

    Red socks were their first choice in 2014-15: http://historicalkits.co.uk/English_Football_League/season/2014-2015/championship.html

  63. Tony Spike Says:

    well thats just the point i am trying to make Denis

    this isn’t a case of it being ANYONES problem, they changed it worked, and their has to be a point where you have to draw the line and say and say “sod it for sanity’s sake” or we will all go mad from discussing an apparent stupidity that isn’t their

    the main point is they didn’t clash (witch is actually the wrong word so i dont know why we use the term …clashing colours are colours that dont go together from a design perspective …and by essence two shades of the same colour compliment each other) and thats all that matters in the grand scheme of things

    you might not like spurs wearing white socks at home but they have as much of a history of doing so

    and Bournemouth’s main pair of socks has been black since the early 90’s (except for the odd occasion witch like i say above …i dont remember off the top of my head)

    if this had been a world where Bournemouth didn’t have a red pair of change socks this year (and i am not sure that they do tbh ..cos again i dont remember seeing any …though im sure someone will prove otherwise) then you would be bemoaning something else entirely

    and i dont see the point …..Bournemouth shouldn’t have to scrape together a pair of red socks from a few seasons ago (carbini not JD might i add) just to satisfy some archaic idea that only the away team should change when it has always been a staple that BOTH teams are obliged to

    i mean …we are human mistakes happen, its easy to forget that sometimes the kit man is an idiot and forgets to pack the other pair

    i mean you are forgetting that its only a few years back that someone forgot to tell Oxford United that Barnet had switched their registered colours 2 days before the league season started

    http://oxfordkits.com/2005.html

    (excellent site that btw i wish all teams had this)

    so like i say, you might not like the idea but since it did the job ..i personally do not care

    witch is what the original question was

  64. Denis Hurley Says:

    Illustrating that Oxford example is going against literally everything else you’ve said – following that logic, Bournemouth would have had to wear Spurs’ white change socks.

    Which would have been better than the two teams in socks which were almost the same colour.

  65. Matt12 Says:

    In the last six seasons, Bournemouth have only worn black socks twice (last two years). Previous to that, two red pairs and two red/black hooped pairs.

    Both Carbrini and Fila whose names appeared on those socks are part of the JD Brand, thus using either wouldn’t be a problem. Not that JD couldn’t have found them some plain red versions easily enough.

    Going back to 1990:
    Black socks have been used 13 times
    Red 3
    Red/black hoops 2
    White 4

    So that’s nine seasons when the socks haven’t been black, and prior to that they hadn’t had them as their first choice socks since the late 70s

  66. Martyn Ping Says:

    I’m against short and sock clashes full stop, to be honest. In the case you mentioned, surely Bournemouth wearing their pink third would’ve solved the problem? OK, no shirt clash, but no clash elsewhere, either. We had a similar problem in the Champions League; Real refuse to wear change home shorts these days, and Bayern’s first choice is white this season, so Real wore their black third at the Allianz. No problem, IMO. No clash, no fuss. For the return leg Bayern wore all red. The logical process is simple – why should a team change at home if they don’t want to? My preference in an ideal world would be Real v Bayern, all white v all red in both legs (as it has been before), but like I said, Bayern have white home shorts this season. And back to the original point, Spurs v Bournemouth, navy v black IS a clash, and it is down to the away team to change to prevent it.

  67. Tony Spike Says:

    actually Denis since i haven’t disputed that their would have been a clash if spurs had worn blue socks (read what i said carefully and tell me where i do dispute it), i think it it illustrates my point PERFECTLY,

    it just so happens that you think i am trying to dispute the issue of colour choice, so you are looking at the part of the example that pertains to that issue

    now i will go on record as saying yes ..wearing spurs gold away kit would solve all problems, but since it has nothing to do with my point it dosnt matter at this juncture

    because my point isn’t that that Bournemouth should have done an Oxford and wore the oppositions kit, my point is that mistakes sometimes happen for various reasons that we do not know about, the Oxford United example was used to illustrate THAT particular part of my point not my entire point if you catch my drift

    in this case it was that no one had told Oxford that the home team had changed their home colours to black at the last minute ..leaving Oxfords black away kit useless

    but if you want a better example of “unforeseen circumstances” (the official statement given by the club) than look no further than Mansfield Town wearing Bristol Rovers old away shirt with their yellow shorts and socks back in 2013-14

    http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/English_Football_League/season/2013-2014/league-two.html

    their would have been no clash their as far as i can see if Mansfield had brought their home shirt, i am assuming the kit man forgot to pack it

    you see Denis my actual point is that the kit man is a human being and we sometimes forget this, i mean if we are going to do this properly, lets look at all his options shall we?

    now since you haven’t answered my question as to weather Bournemouth actually have a red pair to bring with them this season … im going to assume that they dont and form a logical argument based on that

    now their away pair is blue and their third is black so they are both out of the question for sure against a team wearing royal blue or dark blue or whatever colour it is Spurs use

    and in that situation i would always pack the black pair too given that spurs can always change if needs be or knowing i can borrow a white pair from them at the referees discretion

    now this is sound, since we have NO IDEA (and this is aimed at Martyn) if the pink kit is even still available as a choice …..its 3 games till the end of the season for Christ sake it wouldn’t surprise me if they were not around any more

    and their are other potential variables that you are forgetting

    1) its up to the referee on the day …for all you know it was his decision for spurs to change instead of simply borrowing a pair to Bournemouth

    2) we have no idea if the refs are under orders from the F.A. to NOT match a pair of differently branded Under Armour socks with a JD sports kit (yes it is sad but those are the times we live in im afraid …and i have heard of it happening before in other sports)

    after all this is the the Premier League we are talking about here ….appearances matter and sponsors might get mad at that kind of brand integrity foul up, to the point the F.A. might want to avoid it and issue an executive order to its officials

    now since we cannot speculate if this is even the case or not so im not going to even try to …all i will say is that it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest

    so you see my point is ….its easy to sit here and criticise the choice because it dosnt meet our lofty ideals and that is all well and good but since their was no clash on the day and it all worked out fine ….i honestly dont have a problem with what happened

    sure …on a good day the away team should change i have said this before (i think on the what constitutes a clash page) and i will not go back on this statement …….nor am i saying that blue vs black isn’t a problem Martyn…..because it is

    that is not my issue here AT ALL

    my issue is that we were asked if anyone had a problem with what happened and i say no because spurs sorted the issue out, and i say this because im not going to complain about an issue as petty as who should change their fecking socks

    its petty given the circumstances that the issue was sorted out

    now …. Martyn this inst the Champions League my son, this is England our rules state that BOTH teams are obliged to change

    i dont know what UEFAs rules are (and i do sometimes wish you would stop using other European countries as examples when they dont often fit the same mould of system we use here) but in the PL and EFL it dosnt matter who is at away, its been a rule since the 1800s that neither team is solely responsible for changing

    just because it is your personal preference (as it is mine and i share your opinion …and Denis’s) that the away team should change dosnt make it wrong

    especially when it comes to an issue as insignificant as a pair of bloody socks

    NOW have i explained myself sufficiently this time?

    lets not forget that these are my personal reasons why i dont have a problem here, i dont expect you to agree but it is petty to go all “this will not stand” over the fact that spurs changed when the more important issue should be what happens on the day between the two sides

    and the two teams didn’t clash on the day

  68. Denis Hurley Says:

    Tony, regarding this:

    “my issue is that we were asked if anyone had a problem with what happened and i say no because spurs sorted the issue out, and i say this because im not going to complain about an issue as petty as who should change their fecking socks”

    What happened was that nobody changed. Spurs wore navy socks and Bournemouth wore black socks.

    Also, I wasn’t saying that Bournemouth should wear socks made a different manufacturer, I brought up 2014-15 because you said this:

    “i didn’t have a problem, because i have never seen Bournemouth wear anything BUT black shorts and socks”

  69. Tony Spike Says:

    as for Tottenham, thats my bad

    i did a quick image search to have a look and all i found were Tottenham wearing white socks vs Bournemouth, i can only conclude that this was the Vitality game and i got mixed up ….sorry

    but what i say STILL stands regardless

    Bournemouth (and again you haven’t answered if they have a red pair this season that they can call upon or or not so im assuming no) dont have a light pair to switch into,

    thus the impetus falls SQUARELY ON THE REFEREE to either loan Bournemouth a pair of Tottenham’s socks or force Tottenham to change

    something i do not have a problem with since Tottenham have a history of wearing white socks at home as standard ….as i have already stated

    i have already said that their was a clash on the day so i dont need to say anything more on that

  70. Tony Spike Says:

    and yes …i know why you said that and i had already replied to your comment saying i had forgotten

    that comment was about something else entirely, i dont guess about what people mean, nor do i find hidden meanings behind other peoples words

    i ask you offer me the same courtesy, i usually mean exactly what i am saying no more no less, and their i was giving a reason why Bournemouth might not have been offered a pair of Spurs white ones

    no more no less

  71. Denis Hurley Says:

    - I’ve no idea if Bournemouth have red socks, I’m guessing not as they weren’t worn. They do have lighter socks in that their away and third sets are blue and pink

    – To absolve Bournemouth of blame because they don’t have a lighter pair is wrong, IMO. It’s clearly laid out that the away team must change when a clash arises, and teams’ colours are listed in the PL handbook – https://www.premierleague.com/publications. Otherwise, every team could claim not to have alternative socks.

    – I do agree though that the referee should have sorted out the issue and on the day, yes, asking Spurs to wear white socks would have been preferable than a socks clash. Man U have changed to white socks at home to solve clashes in the past.

  72. Tony Spike Says:

    actually i do not agree …. it isn’t wrong to absolve them at all at least in part

    their away and third sets of shorts and socks are as follows:

    Away = Blue …this is no good
    Third is Black with Green trim…..NOT PINK as you have stated …again …no good

    now i have been through that handbook (yeah im sad like that…..i read boring legal shit) and the rule i find is this

    ahem …and i quote

    M.22. Subject to Rules M.21 and M.23, when playing in League Matches the Players of each
    participating Club shall wear Strip which is of a sufficient contrast that Match
    Officials, spectators and television viewers will be able to distinguish clearly between
    the two teams. In selecting the choice of Strip the following order of precedence
    shall apply unless authorised by the Board:

    M.22.1. 1st priority: the outfield players of the Home Club who shall wear their
    home Strip;

    M.22.2. 2nd priority: the outfield players of the Visiting Club;

    M.22.3. 3rd priority: the Home Club goalkeeper; and

    M.22.4. 4th priority: the Visiting Club goalkeeper.

    M.23. The Match Officials shall wear colours that distinguish them from the Strip worn by
    the two Clubs. In the event of the Match Officials not having distinguishing colours
    then the Visiting Club goalkeeper must change and if this is not possible the Home
    Club goalkeeper must do so.

    M.24. At least 10 days prior to each League Match the Visiting Club shall notify the Home
    Club and the League on Form 14 of the Strip it intends its Players (including for the
    avoidance of doubt its goalkeeper) to wear.

    M.25. The League, in consultation with PGMOL acting on behalf of the referee, will
    determine any disputes arising between Clubs and no later than three working days
    prior to each League Match notify both Clubs and the Match Officials of the colours
    to be worn.

    M.26. In the event of a dispute arising on the day of a League Match in relation to the Strip
    to be worn then the referee’s decision shall be final.

    M.27. Subject to Rule M.21, no Club shall participate in a League Match wearing a Strip
    other than its registered home Strip or alternative Strip or a combination of the
    same (in either case as instructed under Rule M.25 or Rule M.26) except with the prior
    written consent of the Board.

    and i draw your attention to sections M.24, 25 and 26

    you see it IS possible to absolve Bournemouth

    the league had 10 DAYS BEFOREHAND to decide and 3 DAYS before the match to rais said concerns if their was a clash, and as section M.21 underlines …you can only wear league registered colours

    if anything the official rules underline my point even more mate

    the impetus might be on the away team but since the league had to clear the kit in the first place 10 days before the match and then the officials had the final say then it is not on the away teams shoulders

    everybody agreed to the current kit

    and like i keep saying …sufficient contrast of kits was their on the day, and that is all that matters in the long run

  73. Denis Hurley Says:

    Okay, Tony. Good to have had this chat with you.

    Apologies on getting the pink thing wrong.

  74. Andy Rockall - Statto_74 Says:

    Tony, there is absolutely no reason why Bournemouth couldn’t have worn their royal blue away socks against Tottenham’s navy. The away kit in it’s entirely would have alleviated all issues. They wore their pink third kit last season at WHL despite there only being a shorts clash.

  75. Tony Spike Says:

    its ok Denis, i think Martyn confused you by adding the pink kit to the conversation, but this has been enjoyable all the same

    @ Andy

    well ….yes their is a reason why they couldn’t ….a massively obvious one if you use your head a bit

    its Blue on Blue, …….now i dont know about anyone else but rocking up in blue shorts and socks against a team that plays in blue shorts and socks seems crazier to me than wearing black does

    i know its a significantly lighter shade than the spurs kit but its not really an ideal choice …..and we would probably still be having this conversation regardless, even if its for different reasons

    Bournemouth made the right choice, their is enough red on the Home shirt to contrast with the spurs kit, its a different colour to the blue so it offsets the black just enough to make things passable

    if they had rocked up in an all black kit then i might be able to find fault with the choice but they didnt

    now the pl authority’s obviously signed off on this and their was enough differentiation on the day that that the officials did i dont know why we are still having this conversation …….aside from the fact that we are so petty we cannot see the most important part

    that it worked on the day

    now a blue shirt could possibly cause problems simply if the light of the sun shifted only slightly down the spectrum and is the reason why i expect spurs to wear all white against teams like Chelsea and Everton

    just because its easier than risking problems should the merest hint of a cloud decide to interrupt proceedings

    i know that this dosnt happen all the time …but its what i would do

    but wearing a lighter shade of blue against navy blue is not an ideal solution …and lets not start pretending that it is …since i have seen people on this very site decry Newcastle for daring to have a grey away kit, and decry Man City for wearing daring to have a blue one of a different shade to their home

    lets not even entertain the fact that this would be ok in the slightest

    blue vs blue still clashes, even if its not as bad as the blue on black is

    now your use of last seasons pink kit as an example is not only stupid since they are two different colours, but because what happened last season has no relevance to this season because of the situation

    last season they were lucky that they had the pink kit to call upon

    their blue away kit last season had a massively darker blue set of shorts than this seasons do, thus changing into the pink kit despite only a shorts clash was the sensible thing to do

    this season they have a choice of either black, blue or black

    thus bringing up the events of last season dosnt really help your argument given the massively differing circumstances

  76. Andy Rockall - Statto_74 Says:

    Tony it would appear you’ve never been close up on a football pitch.

    Navy and Mid/Royal Blue is not a clash, one is dark the other is significantly lighter.
    Not only was it the ideal choice, it was Bournemouth’s only real choice.

    If you think Black and Navy are different enough to not be clash then you are severely deluded and I’ll not waste any more of my time replying to your rants.

  77. Tony Spike Says:

    Andy

    you can waste as much time as you want or dont want to for all i care flower

    but being facetious simply because i have dared to challenge your point of view will not help you in the slightest, nor will calling what i say a “rant” when it CLEARLY isn’t

    ranting implies anger at your opinion that i neither posses nor care to

    now i will not sit here and listen to anyone that considers blue on blue a good option no matter how light the coloration of one of them is when it is presented to me in that fashion,

    i admitted that one is a lighter shade than the other, and i gave you good reasons why i didn’t agree with you, AND i gave you the differing opinions of this forum on the blue vs blue issue

    i might be swayed with the right choice of words (…in fact i was just about to write another post saying that you had a slight point that i could see)

    i did NOT insult you, nor did i attempt to question your integrity while i did so (i didn’t call you an idiot personally i just said bringing up the pink kit was idiotic ….and it was)

    but since you have the attitude of a 4 year old when challenged i have as much interest in listening to your idiotic opinions as you do my “rants”

    but now i put it to you that it is actually because i have probably been on more football pitches than you have and have experienced more problems caused by the situation that you have implied than i have seen solved

    so no ..it wasn’t the only choice the club had, the fact you could still see both teams on the pitch proves this to be untrue

    i know this because i not only play football regularly, and have seen the changes light colours go through in different lighting conditions

    but i am also a graphic designer …by TRADE and thus acutely more aware of colour and spectrum’s than most people are

    but since i do not like to speculate on how much experience you have (because unlike you i am NOT a f***** moron ….and i choose that word carefully)

    i wont …i will only say this,

    i think you are wrong

    i have given you my reasons why this is based on my experiences

    i have given you them, and i have noted the odd time where shade differentiation has been decried by the forum

    weather you agree is your business ….but do not turn this into a pissing contest based on some imagined slight you have

    because you will rapidly find out just HOW bothered i can be, about how many of your precious feelings i hurt with my opinions should the mood take me (FYI … its NONE at all)

    k xxxxx

  78. Tony Spike Says:

    ok changing the subject ..even if its just to wash the taste out of my mouth

    back to the subject of kit types

    whats clima 368 & adizero? boots? balls ..or kits?

  79. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    Bet Bournemouth will get some red socks next season now!

  80. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    reposting as it didn’t appear:
    In the last six seasons, Bournemouth have only worn black socks twice (last two years). Previous to that, two red pairs and two red/black hooped pairs.

    Both Carbrini and Fila whose names appeared on those socks are part of the JD Brand, thus using either wouldn’t be a problem. Not that JD couldn’t have found them some plain red versions easily enough.

    Going back to 1990:
    Black socks have been used 13 times
    Red 3
    Red/black hoops 2
    White 4

    So that’s nine seasons when the socks haven’t been black, and prior to that they hadn’t had them as their first choice socks since the late 70s

  81. Ronan Smith Says:

    Moving on from Tottenham v Bournemouth (phew!)……. does anybody on here know the name of the Coventry fan who takes residence in The Crucible at this time of year? Great to see him with a different Coventry shirt at each session ( he’s in the ‘Talbot’ one this evening. Think he deserves a namecheck amongst us here.,

  82. Tony Spike Says:

    they might be owned by JD but they dont have JD branding,

    a thin distinction to be sure, but as i have said before the PL might not let them do this, …ya know ..because top league in England, branding concerns ect

    and as section M.27. of the PL rules (posted above) states

    no Club shall participate in a League Match wearing a Strip
    other than its registered home Strip or alternative Strip or a combination of the
    same (in either case as instructed under Rule M.25 or Rule M.26) except with the prior
    written consent of the Board.

    sometimes its easier to not bother asking for an exception if you know what the answer will be, theirs no official rule on branding concerns that i can see

    but if the PL are this strict on kits it isn’t hard to imagine that it might be a bugbear if you know what i mean

    this isnt exactly 1013-14 when they had a Fila black away kit to use as a replacement to those red home ones lol

  83. Tony Spike Says:

    2013-14 ..i meant to say

  84. Martyn Ping Says:

    Ronan, I mentioned ‘Coventry man’ ages ago on here, I saw him the other day in a recent-ish Puma one. Don’t know his name, but I’m pretty sure it’d be easy to find – I think he proposed to his girlfriend in the Crucible a few years back so it should be on a news archive somewhere. He has a great collection of CCFC shirts, anyway.

    Tony, I honestly thought the Bournemouth pink third was used this season. My mistake. If I mention the Bundesliga its because A) It’s the league I mainly follow, as my team plays in it; and B) The consistency of short / sock, as well as shirt clash regulations. I for one prefer alt shorts and socks, and the BL regularly enforce even partial clashes. They’re not perfect, and some inconsistencies crop up from time to time, but on the whole the attitude to clashes is more sensible. The Bournemouth / Spurs situation wouldn’t have happened in Germany.

  85. Jon Says:

    Just seen Wolves v Huddersfield, and completely baffled as to why Huddersfield saw fit not to wear their usual blue and white stripes, of which no elements of their kit clash in any way with Wolves’ kit…… and instead wear their fluoresent yellow and black hooped kit, for no reason.

  86. Ronan Smith Says:

    Just ‘Googled’ him Martyn and found an old story from ‘The Mirror’ where it reveals his name is Brian Wright and he did indeed propose to the woman that I presume is the current day Mrs Wright. Also says that he’s a massive England fan and was invited to a training session where he upset Wayne Rooney by bringing along a ‘Shrek’ toy. Sort of bloke I’d buy a pint for…….

  87. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    One last point on the Bournemouth clash and whether it cold have been avoided…
    Last season, when their strip was branded by JD as it was this time around, they had white shorts for a cup tie at Preston to avoid a navy v black clash:
    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Preston+North+End+v+AFC+Bournemouth+Capital+Q-JnOMPlcFfx.jpg
    Then at Man Utd, they had a pair of white socks to avoid a clash:
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-emqZAsn6sDY/VzuL6-X_dKI/AAAAAAAALH8/jKAT-4L74zwSLxHy2MeZP39mgoN3RWAigCCo/s959/manchester%2Bunited.jpg
    Now unless they were silly enough to chuck them all after such minimal use, these would both have been perfect to use at Spurs with their home shirts giving an effective ‘AC Milan’ look.

  88. Andy Rockall - Statto_74 Says:

    Great point Matt, also refreshingly concise!

  89. Martyn Ping Says:

    Ronan,
    So Coventry man has a name! He had the Admiral England one on the other day, which I took to be a reaction to Coventry’s relegation…true to form though he was back in sky blue the next day! Loves his snooker, does our Brian!

  90. Tony Spike Says:

    Martyn mate its fine, …..i know why you do it….but just like you say this situation wouldn’t have happened in Germany so bringing it up as a reference point hardly applies sometimes ……i just haven’t had the heart to tell you till now

    @Matt good point, …..no more “concise” than anyone else but certainly a less …..retarded ….solution than anyone else has offered, ……just sayin ;)

    but given the season is almost over and they haven’t busted them out yet i would assume they went the same way as the pink kit did,

    hindsight is 20/20 as they say

  91. Martyn Ping Says:

    Tony,
    It only applies because it used to be the case in England, too. Back in the mid 90’s, change shorts / socks, emergency third kits, bringing back of older kits, even home teams having to change, happened all the time. Things have just got very slack. My comments are spoken mostly out of frustration – y’know, why can’t the PL and FL follow suit? But it’ll never change in England, sadly, and we’ll be having these debates forever.

  92. Tony Spike Says:

    it still happens now Martyn, mostly in the FL

    but since the EPL only allows teams to use registered colours these days it dosnt happen in the top tier

    they are more strict these days because of …well ….appearance concerns, having to do that kind of thing looks unprofessional

    only problem is they are not as meticulous as we are it seems

  93. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    Out of interest, it’s noticeable that Man United were able to get permission to use variations on their registered kits in that handbook:

    They’ve had three different pairs of white shorts – 1. home versions as registered, 2. pair with with grey Adidas stripes to wear with white shirt when there’s a shorts clash, 3. pair worn at Sunderland with blue kit to avoid a black v dark blue clash, these were plain white with no Adidas stripes.

    Used two different pairs of white socks – 1. alternatives for use with the home kit, 2. white socks for white and grey kit as in the handbook.

    And finally pair of alternative socks for the white kit which were grey, thus avoiding a socks clash at Burnley.

  94. Denis Hurley Says:

    Tottenham are wearing white socks at Palace tonight. Palace didn’t change at WHL in August.

  95. Tony Spike Says:

    well its interesting to note matt that the handbook dosnt list alternate sets of shorts and socks at all

    so its impossible to know just how many sets they actually have registered, its possible that the handbook omits these for simplicity’s sake

    i doubt this is the case mind, a few of those changes might simply be the case of the match officials telling them they need to change on the day

    @Denis do palace even have a different pair? …..i mean i dont mind, like i have said before its not like Spurs haven’t worn white at home before, i would say they are quite comfortable in them

  96. Denis Hurley Says:

    Some clubs submit alternate info to handbook, from memory I think Manchester United do, but it’s not mandatory.

    Palace have their yellow sets, but haven’t worn the home kit in modified format this season as far as I know. Like Spurs, Palace have worn more than few different colours of shorts and socks at home in the past.

  97. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    United change into alternate shorts and socks because they like to. Otherwise they’d just use the home shorts when white are required with the away kit.

    Plenty of examples down the years.

    In the handbook link above, some clubs have alternate shorts and socks listed (Watford for example)

  98. Jon Says:

    Palace have also worn more than a few different colours of shirts at home in the past too, even as recently as 2009 they wore white as a first choice kit (a recreation of the famous sash kit).

  99. Tony Spike Says:

    @ Matt,

    yes United are famous for having 3 different pairs of white shorts, i think last season was one of the examples but thats not the point of my comment,

    point is that if the EPL only allows registered kits (its in the handbook rules, as are the kits registered by each club) and states that only these kits ..and combinations of them …are allowed to be used, then where do they keep note of these alternate sets, as they are not included in the handbook

    Denis actually answers the question with his reply

    @ Denis,

    its a pity we cannot get a copy of these alternate registrations, if palace haven’t worn an alternate pair yet this season they might not actually have any registered at all

    i know they have worn different colours in the past but it is no guarantee they will do so this season, or that they have the means to do so at all

    isn’t it easier to assume this than lament the fact that spurs are changing socks again?

    i mean like i say above, if palace have a historical precedent of wearing lots of colours at home spurs have historical precedent of wearing white socks at home as well

    i think its a case of where do we draw the line of snobbery in the face of actual sensibility tbh

  100. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    And if Bournemouth had just been sensible and worn either pair of socks that they’ve worn as first choice over the years, we wouldn’t have had a clash or this discussion!

  101. Andy Rockall Says:

    As Watford did at WHL in week 29!

  102. Tony Spike Says:

    @Matt ……..*Sigh*, they DID, …..they wore BLACK …..i would say it most definitely qualifies as one of those two colours

    the fact we are having this discussion speaks for itself

    i will look past the fact that you are still blaming Bournemouth despite the fact that we have already ascertained no less than 5 entities (league and no less than 4 match day officials) approved them to wear the black shorts

    and the fact that you could still see the players during the game

    my point about drawing the line at snobbery is being proven time and time again the longer we draw this out,

  103. Andy Rockall - Statto_74 Says:

    Neither the Assistant’s nor Fourth Official have any control over what Clubs wear.

  104. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    It’s an opinion of some that an avoidable clash was created, that’s all.

  105. Tony Spike Says:

    thats completely besides the point Andy, their are still TWO OTHER entity’s in the equation that DO, both of witch have veto power over the 3rd entity in the equation …..ie the club itself

    placing the blame solely on the shoulders of AFC Bournemouth is STILL a bit harsh in retrospect when you consider they had 5 days for someone to say to them “you cant wear black”

    @ Matt, yes but at end of the day the teams were still visible, at what point did we forget that this is the numero uno reason teams change in the fist place

    i mean …im not trying to pull anyone down here, but Denis dosnt like the idea that spurs wore white socks at home,

    you two dont like the clash it created or seem to think Bournemouth were 100% to blame,

    and i myself not entirely convinced that the situation was all that “avoidable” to be honest (we have no proof whatsoever that they still had those white shorts)

    when do we stop being kit snobs?

    it might be the opinion of some that an avoidable clash was created, but it dosnt make what happened wrong

  106. Tony Spike Says:

    now can we change the subject yet

    i mean i dont expect you to agree 100% with my opinion on this, but i AM getting fed up of repeating shit i have already told Denis like a broken record here

    when i said i didn’t have a problem with them wearing black i didn’t expect to still be having this discussion two weeks later

    its a pair of shorts for crying out loud

  107. Andy Rockall - Statto_74 Says:

    We don’t agree any % let alone 100%.

    Though I do concur that you are repeating shit!

  108. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    Shorts matter. Especially when they clash. Socks even more so.

  109. Martyn Ping Says:

    I completely agree. Life was much simpler in the days when short and sock clashes were against regulations, then there was a glorious period when clubs were, in effect, self regulating – so Everton wearing either royal blue or black change shorts and socks, Man Utd wearing black shorts or white socks, Spurs in all white, etc etc. The whole point of this forum, and I hope we can all draw a line under the argument with this, is that we all have our own opinions about what is acceptable, and what is not. I am all for change shorts and socks, and happen to (sorry) follow a league where regulations exist to enforce them (the Bundesliga). I would like to see similar regulations back in England, but they don’t exist, and haven’t for some time. Finally, and this IS my last word on the subject, I personally don’t care who is to blame when an avoidable clash occurs, and these days, the blame could just as easily be apportioned to the kit suppliers, who issue pointless third strips that are only intended as ‘leisure tops’, with no prior consideration given to whether they will actually solve clashes. Liverpool / NB with an orange third kit coming up are the latest offenders. In the old days, at least one of Bournemouth’s strips would have been all white. So if we want to apportion blame, lets spread it around, shall we?

  110. Tony Spike Says:

    @Martyn, a point i agree with, and have been trying to make myself, we cannot blame 1 entity 100% these days

    but i think league ARE trying to control the rules or they wouldn’t have rules on kits to begin with, they were just lax on this occasion

    but we will stick a pin on that one as you say

    @Matt …yes they are ….. ..but not when you can see both teams just fine ….and we could, ……its about priority’s here,

    i mean the Woman’s FA Cup final (Blue Vs Blue) was less forgivable clash than this one was

  111. Tony Spike Says:

    *sigh* and finally i come to @Andy

    as far as i am concerned, YOU forfeited your rights to a opinion on ME personally a few posts ago when you acted like a little 4 year old just because i had the blatant audacity to say that you were wrong about something,

    just clarifying my position to you Nancy Drew, because you seem to be labouring under the mistaken impression that i hold you and your opinions in high regard, and i simply feel no shame that i say these words to you nor do i feel any malice as i say them

    but forgive me, if i dont even pretend that i give a rats about how much YOU agree with me on anything right at this moment

    because quite frankly my dear, ever since you went mental over basically what amounts to MY opinion, i figure you are not worth any more than the cheese under your own foreskin

    let alone the privilege of being part of ANY topic that involves me, or any of my activities here

    so until it becomes apparent that your opinions on me DONT have any salt behind them, and are NOT laced with your own prejudices i wont be changing my assessment of your ability to judge MY actions any time soon

    thats just who i am

    Thank You
    F*** You
    Bye xxxxxxxxxxx

  112. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    So, to confirm, Bournemouth better have some alternative socks next season. Either red or white will do as they’ve worn them loads before.

  113. Tony Spike Says:

    yeah pretty much, i think the problem this time was mostly the shorts rather than the socks, but a pair of alt socks wouldn’t hurt, it would certainly stop spurs needing to change theirs

    incidentally and on another note did they ever wear the white ones from the third kit they had in 2014?

    its funny but i once included the option on a FIFA 14 mod that i made even i could never find pics to confirm if they ever did

  114. Martyn Ping Says:

    Spurs at Hull yesterday with their usual navy shorts v Hull’s black.

    Minus the socks, exactly the same issue as the Bournemouth one discussed (at length) above.

  115. Andy Rockall Says:

    Martyn, shorts clashes are very common in the PL and not an issue. Had Hull had dark socks Tottenham would have switched to white.

  116. Martyn Ping Says:

    Sorry, just don’t like shorts clashes!

  117. Kitclashes Matt Says:

    Me neither. It’s a matter of pride in detail.

  118. Tony Spike Says:

    @Matt and Martyn

    well i dont like them either, but to be honest i hate changing into an away or third strip for a simple shorts clash just as much so i will take it

    but again same case as the Bournemouth clash…sometimes i also have to look past being a pedantic kit freak when the two teams could be seen

    see whilst you see it as a case of pride in detail, all the PL will care about is that you can tell the difference between the two teams and like Andy says, they obviously dont see it as an issue

    now do hull even have an orange pair this season?

    i cant find any examples myself

  119. Martyn Ping Says:

    It is just personal preference, and we all have different views. Like I said, I don’t like short (or sock) clashes, personally.

  120. Denis Hurley Says:

    Hull had amber shorts and socks this season http://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/tottenham-hotspurs-victor-wanyama-goes-down-under-the-news-photo/629852120?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect

  121. Denis Hurley Says:

    Just to clarify – shorts are alternatives, socks first choice.

  122. Tony Spike Says:

    @ denis

    See ….now the confirmed existance of those makes it more unforgivable in my eyes

    @martyn ….and like i say ..i dont either, im just more ready to forgive when the combo does its job i guess

    Of course the fact i now know an orange pair exists has made me less forgiving

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